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Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1894 Joined: 18 Sep 2007     | |
Press Junketeer  Posts: 356 Joined: 29 Nov 2008     |
Take in account sale taxes, and all the other taxes that you have...... And your total Tax % is a lot higher. I'm a lawyer that is studying International law, with a minor in Accounting. |
Anonymous Source Posts: 4 Joined: 18 Sep 2008 |
Most industrialized countries, and many developing countries, operate some form of publicly-funded health care with universal coverage as the goal. According to the Institute of Medicine and others, the United States is the only wealthy, industrialized nation that does not provide universal health care http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialized_medicine/ It doesn't matter what the population of the country is, the more people you have the more people pay in. |
Press Junketeer Posts: 356 Joined: 29 Nov 2008 |
AAAAH!! SOCIALISM!!!! GO AWAY GO AWAY! But really Capitalist 1 Socialist 0. Our system may not be the best, but how do you think we stay so wealthy, we are not to into the whole socialized systems. I'm a liberal person and I'm not sold on any idea yet, its something we are going to have to debate, and do it better then everyone else. |
Muckraker  Posts: 236 Joined: 24 Sep 2008     |
Coming from a country smaller than an average US city and having lived in Orange County and Florida I know the downside of living in a big country, but also the advantages. Imo, some of the best ideas come out of the USA. Sadly, also some of the worst. |
Press Junketeer Posts: 356 Joined: 29 Nov 2008 |
Well, someone has to do the job. Would you like us or one of the other major world powers in the world, China, Russia, I dont think so.......(little off topic) Yeah, but when the shit hits the fan, you can count on us. We will deal with this Health care problem and fix it, just need to debate it. |
Infamous Scribbler  Posts: 666 Joined: 13 Oct 2008    | I'm in the US, and the healthcare system here is an absolute joke. The last company I worked for had what was classified as a "great" health plan, which was reasonably priced. I paid around $80 per check for full health and dental. I lived and worked in the city of Long Beach, California. The only problem with my health plan was that the closest "in-market" dentist was in the San Fernando Valley (40mi away), the closest urgent care center was in Huntington Beach (20mi away), and here's the kicker, the only in-market hospital for me was in Los Angeles proper (25mi away). So, if I were to be in a violent car accident, and was taken to the closest hospital for life saving surgery, I would have been stuck with 100% of the bill, since it wasn't an "in-market" hospital, thus, my insurance wouldn't have covered the ambulance or any of the care. If anyone on these forums can honestly defend the American Healthcare/HMO/PPO system, I'd love to hear it, and why it was so logical for my insurance company to operate in the way it did. |
Press Junketeer Posts: 356 Joined: 29 Nov 2008 |
I know Greed sucks, Dont worry its going to get fixed, Obama hopefully will change the system. |
Paperboy  Posts: 12 Joined: 25 Nov 2008   | I live in South Texas, the bank I work for provides excellent health care coverage. I graduated from college a year and a half ago and I've already got full medical and dental...which is handy since I'm finally getting my wisdom teeth out next week :( |
Infamous Scribbler Posts: 666 Joined: 13 Oct 2008 |
I hope so, but I don't think it'll be as easy as everybody hopes it will. Either way, as soon as I finish college I'm moving out of the US. You couldn't pay me enough to raise a family in this country. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1751 Joined: 7 Sep 2008     |
See- that's something people here in America can't even comprehend.....There's so much capitalism here that it makes people think it's the norm that they have to pay through the nose just to keep their bodies from falling apart. Example: "You want a vital vaccine that'll keep you from getting Meningitis and dropping dead? Well, that'll be $20.00. ........You don't think that you should pay $20.00? Okay, well we just won't listen to you." ^one of the reasons I'd like to live somewhere other than (duh-duh-duuuuuhhh!)America. |
Press Junketeer Posts: 356 Joined: 29 Nov 2008 |
Sorry I have to say this You are a dumbass if you leave the US. This is the cheapest place to live in the western world. Let alone the world as a whole. Gas is blow 2 bucks a Gallon, as in Europe its 5 bucks a liter.... Food is more over seas, Taxes are higher everwhere else, WHY IN GODS NAME WOULD YOU LEAVE.... Its cheap as hell to live here. I lived over seas for 2 years, and I will never leave again. I lived in Auss, UK, Germany, and France. granted I didnt pay for much my company did, still this place is the cheapest place in the world to raise a family in the western world. If you are an American YOU NEVER GIVE UP YOUR CITIZENSHIP, because ones you do you don't get it back. |
Muckraker Posts: 236 Joined: 24 Sep 2008 |
When it comes to our home country, we're all silly fanboys. Let's face it: You wage war around the globe because your companies need the oil and we make sure the terrorists have a place to hide their money. |
Press Junketeer Posts: 356 Joined: 29 Nov 2008 |
Yeah at least you can speak out about it, as in Mother Russia, or China they will put you in jail. I take my chances with us.... |
Infamous Scribbler Posts: 666 Joined: 13 Oct 2008 |
Some people prefer quality of life over quantity of life. I could care less what gas costs because I never want to own a car again (money pit). I don't eat that much, so I don't care how much food costs. And when did cheap mean good? Here are three cheap things in the US that are awful. Federal Interstate System = falling apart in almost every state. Still think cheap is good? |
Muckraker Posts: 236 Joined: 24 Sep 2008 |
It's a WONDERFUL world! /tries to force you to think positiv |
Copy Clerk Posts: 87 Joined: 12 Sep 2008 | Health ... Care??? you mean Healthbill |
Press Junketeer Posts: 356 Joined: 29 Nov 2008 |
Welcome to human race, its like that everywhere in the world. Its no different here then over there.... Every nation has problems, ours are just bigger because our nation is big. Federal Interstate System??? One bridge does not mean its falling apart, you have to stop listing to MSM/Liberal media all the time. (they just spent 5 billion on the interstate near my home) The other systems need work I agree with you there, but now we have a guy in the white house who at least is going to try. Don't lose faith in the American Experiment. If we didn't have cheap things, it would be a lot worse let me tell you. Also do you want to be a Socialist? Many of the other western nations are Nanny states, look at Auss, they ban every game that comes out. They are doing the same in Germany, and the UK. Sorry, I would give my wealth up before my Freedom. |
Infamous Scribbler  Posts: 602 Joined: 2 Nov 2008  | We have a healthcare system where so far the Government stays out and therefore it works a lot beter. However Obama will probably change that if he gets his way. |
Copy Clerk Posts: 87 Joined: 12 Sep 2008 | Freedom should include healthcare, otherwise how will you live your life with the freedom of mind knowing that someoen will take care of you in a time of need? |
Copy Clerk Posts: 87 Joined: 12 Sep 2008 | Government isn't a bad thing... Businesses are just little governments. |
Muckraker Posts: 236 Joined: 24 Sep 2008 | Am I wrong or is this whole healthcare debate just a result of Obama's campaign? |
Press Junketeer Posts: 356 Joined: 29 Nov 2008 |
???? Freedom and having someone taking care of you is two different things that have nothing to do with each other. I dont relay on someone they don't relay on me, but we relay on each other to overcome our most difficult challenges.
What? Tell that to people who lived in the old USSR, The Congo, Sudan, Iran, North Korea, maybe China? They would tell you something completely different if they knew they wouldn't be killed for speaking out. Government fine as long as its BY THE PEOPLE AND FOR THE PEOPLE. |
Press Junketeer Posts: 356 Joined: 29 Nov 2008 |
I see you are not American. Yeah....Its been debated for about 60 years now, we may do something about it this time around. |
Copy Clerk Posts: 87 Joined: 12 Sep 2008 | Freedom to do and live your life includes being healthy. Poor government planning, financial instability, and bad timing is what is hurting the governments you've listed above. By the people and for the people has nothing to do with the issue. We need more balance in our government (USA,) instead of being run by big corporations like healthcare. We have plenty of government run organizations, what's wrong with adding healthcare to the mix? |
Infamous Scribbler Posts: 602 Joined: 2 Nov 2008 |
No freedom means thinking for yourself and not having the government baby you. |
Press Junketeer Posts: 356 Joined: 29 Nov 2008 | Freedom means, you do what you want with no or little government interaction. By forcing people to have healthcare that would be the other end of Freedom.... Have you seen SS, and how that is ran.... |
Copy Clerk Posts: 87 Joined: 12 Sep 2008 | Forcing people to have healthcare? I'm guessing your against forcing people to be educated too. I really dont understand what you find wrong with paying more taxes instead of paying a lot less when you get hurt yourself. |
Muckraker Posts: 236 Joined: 24 Sep 2008 | total freedom for everyone = anarchy |
Press Junketeer Posts: 356 Joined: 29 Nov 2008 |
Yeah and look how poorly that is ran, I want a system that works, not something because people want it.
Im not talking about anarchy.. And there are clear lines between them. In the US we have a social contract with our Gov't called the US constitution |
Infamous Scribbler Posts: 666 Joined: 13 Oct 2008 |
I respectfully disagree Hevoo. I believe our problems here are bigger because we've failed to address them in a responsible manner. First of all, liberal media ISN'T. If you look at the majority of TV broadcasters, they are owned by companies who back conservative politicians: News Corp, Turner Broadcasting, Viacom, etc. Just because they may own a TV station that leans to the left doesn't mean that the media is "liberal," it just means that they own both conservative and liberal stations. If you're talking about newspapers, then yes, more of them are liberal than conservative, but you can hardley call that "liberal media." What about radio? Count the number of conservative talk stations vs liberal. Can you call radio "liberal media"? I think not! Second of all, I know how bad the interstate system is here because I've driven across the US four times, and each time, I've had damage done to my car due to the deterioration of the Interstates. I was driving through the middle of Utah when my car hit an 8in lift in the Interstate, which broke my rear wheel ties. I was stuck, with no cell phone reception, and no help in sight. I waited for five hours before a patrolman drove by to help. I've had similar problems driving in California, West Virginia, Mississippi, Georgia, and Arkansas. At no point was I referencing the bridge in Minnesota which collapsed. I have no problems with moving this country into a more socialist mentality. I strongly believe that when the people of the nation take care of one another, we're all better off. For example, if someone doesn't have health insurance, they go to the hospital, can't pay their bill, the insurance companies are forced to absorb that cost and thus, raise your premiums. Now, thinking as a socialist, if we all play a flat tax for socialized medicine, those problems wont arrise. How is socialism bad that way? Is having a police force bad, because that's socialism? How about fire departments? Public schools and land-grant state universities? In terms of "Nanny-states," I do believe that's a problem, but when you elect politicians without knowing exactly where they stand on issues that are most important to you, what would you expect? |
What I pay in income tax is a lot closer to 30% than 70%, let me tell you.
A friend of mine moved to the US to work for an undisclosed company (I know which one, but I'm not sure if I should be naming names) and when he did the math on his pay it turned out he spent more on HMO bills than he saved in taxes. As soon as his contract ran down he moved back here.
-- Steve